Would You Award Björk or Jimi Hendrix A Practice-Led PhD? – what form does new knowledge take in popular music?
8 thoughts on “SIMON ZAGORSKI-THOMAS (UNIVERSITY OF WEST LONDON, UK)”
I’d love to sit-in on the Bjork and Mitchell supervisions!
Really interesting and fun presentation; thanks.
I still remember Morrissey asking Mitchell about her “poetry”.
Her response: “I don’t like poetry”.
I dream of some day doing a supervision like the one you illustrate here (perhaps specifically the Ty one)!
And regarding the Ty one (it’s a minor point in a talk that’s fundamentally about something else, but it piqued my interest, as it overlaps so much with my own research), I find that often it is most interesting to talk/ponder about not where the flow and the beat (the rap and the musical background) converge, but rather where, how and why they diverge. Thinking about the traditional form of the rap verse and different levels of hypermetric symmetry and expected convergence with the musical metre and rhyme position as schemata, for instance, as well as the beat-to-rap-convergence (schemata unique to each song), it is perhaps in the conscious disconnects (and forced “prediction errors”) between expected and performed rhythmic structure that the magic happens (in my opinion it is, at least!).
Well yes Kjell – although of course, you have to establish the expectation in order to diverge from it. I always found Ty walked a very fine line between the expected and the unexpected. In some ways it draws attention away from the lyrics and towards the performance – but then it is designed for multiple listens: it has a strong element of 3rd mode (in terms of my categories) and Ty was always challenging in very interesting and exciting ways. He will be sorely missed.
Simon, I love the playful approach that you brought to this topic. It’s both fun and thought-provoking, and raises important questions about how we evaluate practice-led research.
Simon, could you possibly find the time to sit down for a few minutes with every single one of my PhD supervisions, past, present and future (regardless of discipline) and nudge them towards ta suitable methodology? Thanking you in advance…
I’d love to sit-in on the Bjork and Mitchell supervisions!
Really interesting and fun presentation; thanks.
I still remember Morrissey asking Mitchell about her “poetry”.
Her response: “I don’t like poetry”.
I dream of some day doing a supervision like the one you illustrate here (perhaps specifically the Ty one)!
And regarding the Ty one (it’s a minor point in a talk that’s fundamentally about something else, but it piqued my interest, as it overlaps so much with my own research), I find that often it is most interesting to talk/ponder about not where the flow and the beat (the rap and the musical background) converge, but rather where, how and why they diverge. Thinking about the traditional form of the rap verse and different levels of hypermetric symmetry and expected convergence with the musical metre and rhyme position as schemata, for instance, as well as the beat-to-rap-convergence (schemata unique to each song), it is perhaps in the conscious disconnects (and forced “prediction errors”) between expected and performed rhythmic structure that the magic happens (in my opinion it is, at least!).
Thanks for a lovely paper!
Well yes Kjell – although of course, you have to establish the expectation in order to diverge from it. I always found Ty walked a very fine line between the expected and the unexpected. In some ways it draws attention away from the lyrics and towards the performance – but then it is designed for multiple listens: it has a strong element of 3rd mode (in terms of my categories) and Ty was always challenging in very interesting and exciting ways. He will be sorely missed.
Simon, I love the playful approach that you brought to this topic. It’s both fun and thought-provoking, and raises important questions about how we evaluate practice-led research.
Simon, could you possibly find the time to sit down for a few minutes with every single one of my PhD supervisions, past, present and future (regardless of discipline) and nudge them towards ta suitable methodology? Thanking you in advance…
Of course Peter – shall we start with the past ones?
Great paper, Simon.
I guess that was less of a question, more of a comment.
I’m just testing the email system